| Light of Science (Part II of II) |
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| by Wes Riddle | Mon, Sep 15, 2008, 10:19 AM |
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Science ought to be about seeking and finding out what is true, and it is quintessentially unscientific to pre-judge what is true, or to rule out some causes before the evidence speaks. It would seem to be unintelligent too, not to recognize the clear signs of intelligence at work, or even to allow that there could be a design behind what is seen. Indeed, design reasoning is an academic discipline, which holds that information rich systems arise from intelligent design. Clearly the information in every living cell qualifies. There simply is no naturalistic explanation for where the information comes from. We are only beginning to understand this in a way that Charles Darwin couldn’t, because we are after all living in an Information Age. Scientists in the Nineteenth Century knew of two fundamental entities, matter and energy. They did not recognize a third entity of information at work in cell formation or the development of complex organisms. But whereas matter and energy are inanimate so far as we know, information is an artifact of Mind and something that can only be understood by intelligent design. Indeed, human beings have so much bit storage capacity for data in a single brain, that he or she would have to learn something new every single second for the next 3 million years to fill it up. There’s room left for knowledge in other words. In our chemical makeup we may resemble the dust of the earth, but in the will and the spirit we have is a capacity that exceeds mere function—the capacity to comprehend existence. It might even be scientific to suggest that our purpose is to do so, to learn through both formal education and personal experiences to understand the universe and by inference our Creator. Albert Einstein said that the most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible. He felt that scientific inquiry presupposed rationality of the universe, and he inferred intelligence behind the design. Bill Gates has said that DNA is like a computer program, only much more complex than anything man has devised, inferring likewise intelligence behind the software engineering that transmits instructions for life. We ought to refrain from the pretense and hubris of pronouncing a theory final concerning great metaphysical questions of existence and the purpose for being. It is hard to place a period at the end of Eternity or even to start it with a Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago. Don’t ask what happened the day before. Sir Isaac Newton said that in the absence of other evidence, the existence of his thumb were sufficient to prove the existence of God. He saw in his thumb such remarkable engineering design and precision, that to him it suggested intelligence of a Higher Being. Nothing today disproves or would disabuse him of that prejudice. The position is not anti-scientific per se, just out of favor in some quarters. While useful inside of a narrow context, it is irresponsible to suggest that natural selection could have given rise to life in all its forms on earth (and potentially elsewhere), when Darwin himself had more to say about the so-called branches of the tree of evolution than its trunk or its root. That is, he had much to say about the relation of certain species to each other but almost nothing concerning the first organism or self-replicating cell, and nothing about the spark that began the whole process. To insist otherwise, and close the door on complementary or alternative explanations, serves no other purpose than to limit knowledge and stifle the exercise of free thought. The possibility of life in outer space points to another irony about the state of science on our planet today. For almost five decades now the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI), with considerable support in the hard science community, has involved listening devices to pick up transmissions that show patterns distinct from background or random noise. The inference is that intelligent life creates highly improbable and objective patterns that can be recognized as such, for example a string of prime numbers broadcast over space or a solo from an electric guitar. If you looked at Quantum physics didn’t exist in _____________________ Wesley Allen Riddle is a retired military officer with degrees and honors from West Point and
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written by ElHombre , September 16, 2008 More hackery at work! Time to take a few more whacks with Occam's Razor. Woo-hoo! "It would seem to be unintelligent too, not to recognize the clear signs of intelligence at work, or even to allow that there could be a design behind what is seen." BZZZT!!! Sorry, that's not how the Scientific Method works. If you have a hypothosis, it has to be 1)tested, and 2) able to be tested in the first place. That means allowing for the possibility that your hypothosis is in error, something Creationists cannot allow themselves to consider. "There simply is no naturalistic explanation for where the information comes from." Aw contrary. There are many explanations for how DNA evolved. And they're all being tested according to the two rules listed above. And they have a leg up on Mr. Riddle for one very good reason: They're trying and not throwing their hands up into the air crying, 'it's too hard!!!' Barring that, there's good reason to expect a result in line with the ToE. The fact that most of the genetic code is made up of 'junk'. Human DNA is istimated to be 95% 'junk'. That is, the part of our DNA with no known function in human beings. It's just leftovers from our earlier ancestors. Think of it as the genetic appendix. Imagine an engineer making a car where 95% of the parts had no function. He'd be out of a job in no time. Ditto with Creationism. Now for a couple of outright lies..1)"[Einstein] felt that scientific inquiry presupposed rationality of the universe, and he inferred intelligence behind the design.", and 2) "Bill Gates has said that DNA is like a computer program, only much more complex than anything man has devised, inferring likewise intelligence behind the software engineering that transmits instructions for life." Care to list your sources for those pieces of excrement? Your understanding of Einstein is shallow at best and I dare you to post where Bill Gates 'infers' intelligence in the evolution of DNA (as you ridiculaously infer). "We ought to refrain from the pretense and hubris of pronouncing a theory final concerning great metaphysical questions of existence and the purpose for being." That's odd. Because it's EXACTLY what Creationists have been doing for thousands of years. I was under the impression that your version of the meaning of life was to extend the 'glory' of the Lord (or words to that effect). "It is hard to place a period at the end of Eternity or even to start it with a Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago." Your right, it wasn't easy. It took a large number of scientists a number of years and the help of the space program to peg the 13.7 BYA date. Here's the cliff notes version: Ever watch CSI? Ever see an episode where they can date how long a person's been dead by the temperature of their body? The same principle applies to the universe. By extreeemely careful and detailed measurement of the temperature of the universe (courtesy of a satellite), scientists were able to date the age of the universe. The technology to make those measurements didn't exist only a few years before. As for the end of the universe, the jury is still out there but at least one theory has discarded: there won't be a Big Crunch. Hear that? A theory has been discarded due to its contradiction with the evidence! "Don’t ask what happened the day before." Or you could test your Google-Fu! Wonderful thing this Information Age you mentioned, wouldn't you say? Now this part made me fall out of my chair laughing... "Sir Isaac Newton said that in the absence of other evidence, the existence of his thumb were sufficient to prove the existence of God. He saw in his thumb such remarkable engineering design and precision, that to him it suggested intelligence of a Higher Being. Nothing today disproves or would disabuse him of that prejudice." Note to Mr. Riddle, if you're going to use the quote of a scientist to prove your point about the ToE, you might want to pick one that didn't die long before the ToE was discovered. Want to know why you have an opposable digit on your hand? Because our ape ancestors needed them to hang on to trees! Know why you don't have one anymore on your toes? Because the bottom pair of hands on your legs had evolved into feet capable of walking on the ground! But the last line was the kicker... "Nothing today disproves or would disabuse [Newton] of that prejudice." Have you been holding some sort of seance or something*? How could you possibly know what a man who died almost three centuries ago would have to say about scientific advances made since his death? You might as well state Ben Franklin's opinions about quantum computing, if you're such an expert, Mr. Riddle! *if so, wouldn't that get you into trouble with your church? Or does your version of your religion allow it?
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written by ElHombre , September 16, 2008 A little more carving up the beast... "Again the natural inference might be that the universe is fairly carefully calibrated!" Or, by applying Occam's Razor, you come to the realization that you wouldn't even exist if this were a universe hostile to your existance. Digging a little deeper, one might have the idea that there might be other universes which are incapable of supporting life or even matter! There is only one known planet capable of supporting life against a backdrop of dozens of hostile ones. Whose to say thie same principle could apply to other possible universes? "While that is not the same as proving the existence of God, it doesn’t rule Him out." or... "Moreover, it seems remote that our existence is the result of total random events." A basic principle you should learn in school: You can't disprove a negative. That's why it's considered the mark of the intellectually lazy. Either you back up your hypothosis with evidence or you leave the topic in question to those who know what they're talking about. "...when Darwin himself had more to say about the so-called branches of the tree of evolution than its trunk or its root." And we know far more about the Theory of Gravity than Newton did. Just as we know far more about the Theory of relativity than Einstein did! Other scientists took the new path those greats opened up and explored the implications. "Moreover, just as matter and energy can be related by mathematical equation, there is increasing evidence of a missing equation that will relate electromagnetic energy to something else “immaterial,” what we might call spirit or the stuff of consciousness." And if and when it does*, I fully expect that proving it will not involve religious beliefs in any way. Otherwise it won't be proof. I furthermore expect that further discovery of such evidence will provoke an outcry by religious conservatives outraged yet again to find the universe not arranging itself to their personal comfort. *something similar is the basis for David Brin's sci-fi novel 'Kiln People'. An amusing coda at the end shows true human nature wherein the discovery of a 'soulwave' is used to help people find their 'soul mate'. For a price! Write comment
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