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Thousands of Possible Dead, Felons on Voter Rolls Print E-mail
by Christine DeLoma    Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 12:32 PM

State auditors found 49,000 records of registered voters who may have been ineligible to vote in the May 12, 2007 special election.

Who are these people anyway? Possible felons, dead people and duplicate voters - that's who.

The Secretary of State's Office had recently implemented a statewide voter registration database as part of the federally mandated Help America Vote Act. The state chose IBM/Hart to develop a program that validates and verifies voter information, tracks redundancies in the system, and allows local election officials to update voter registration information electronically to the state's database

Felons on the voter rolls

In a November 2007 report scrutinizing the statewide voter registration database, auditors cited thousands of potential ineligible voters on the rolls.

"Ensuring that only eligible persons are registered to vote," the report said, "is an ongoing challenge that involves the Secretary of State's Office, 254 county voter registration offices, the Department of Public Safety, and the Bureau of Vital Statistics.

"Although the Secretary of State's Office has processes to identify many ineligible voters and remove them from the State's voter registration list, improvements can be made."

Auditors analyzed the statewide voter registration list, called Texas Election Administration Management or TEAM, and compared it with the Department of Criminal Justice and the Bureau of Vital Statistics (BVS). Here's what they found:

* 23,114 possible felons were registered to vote;

* 23,576 "voters" may actually be dead;

* 2,359 duplicate voting records.

Auditors did point out that among more than 12 million Texas registered voters, the 49,049 possible ineligible voters represent only 0.4 percent. And there were no instances of ineligible voters casting a ballot during the May 12, 2007, special election.

Why were some felons and dead people not deleted from voter rolls? According to auditors, the Secretary of State's Office receives daily felony updates only from the Department of Public Safety and weekly updates of death records only from BVS. The data are not comprehensive and do not include felonies or deaths that occurred from earlier reporting periods.

"For example," says the report, "a convicted felon could try to register to vote at a later date, and the TEAM system would not flag the record as potentially ineligible. [Alternatively], if the Secretary of State's Office mistakenly does not process one of the felon data or death record files it receives, there would be no additional opportunities for it to identify the resulting ineligible voter."

The report recommends the Secretary of State obtain comprehensive data records in order to match voter eligibility. It also recommends a periodic review of the entire list of registered voters in the TEAM system to keep the list up-to-date and free of potential ineligible voters.

Scott Haywood , spokesman for the Secretary of State's Office, said, "The auditor was looking at different sources of information than our office has looked at historically, and so they were able to collect more data than we use in notifying the counties of potential ineligible voters, and so that's something we're looking at, too, to see if we can work with the Department of Public Safety and the Bureau of Vital Statistics to get different information than we've been receiving to see if that will help us identify ineligible voters more readily."

The accuracy of the statewide voter registration list is not entirely controlled by the Secretary of State. Voter registration has historically been managed by the 254 county voter registration offices. County voter registration offices are responsible for investigating potential ineligible voters, verifying eligibility, and making changes to the statewide voter registration list, Haywood added.

The Secretary of State's Office has also maintained that once ineligible voter records are flagged in the TEAM system, some counties have been slow to pursue investigations.

Haywood said some of the people identified by the auditors may not be ineligible to vote. "We have to determine whether or not they really are ineligible and we are going through that process right now," he said "But it could be the case where they have the same name as another individual in that county who is a felon and we don't want to take someone off the list who should rightfully be allowed to vote even though they're just a potential match. So we're going to work with the counties in identifying the 49,000 individuals in determining whether or not they are eligible to vote..."

Difficulties in verifying citizenship

The report suggests the actual number of inaccurate voter records may be even higher because the Secretary of State's Office cannot verify the U.S. citizenship of all registered voters.

Auditors were rebuffed when they contacted the federal Social Security Administration to obtain the citizenship status of registered voters in Texas. They were told personally identifiable information could not be disclosed.

Safeguarding Texas' voter registration process is a controversial issue that has played out at the Capitol over the last few sessions. Some people believe applicants should present a birth certificate or official form of identification in order to register to vote. Speaker Tom Craddick, concerned with voter fraud, issued an interim charge Nov. 29 to study the matter.

Individuals who want to register to vote in Texas need not submit a driver's license or a Social Security number. Applicants without these documents can submit a current utility bill, a paycheck, or a bank statement.

"It is important to note that neither a Texas driver's license number nor a Social Security number can be relied upon to determine citizenship status, because both forms of identification are issued to non-U.S. citizens," the report states.

Auditors listed two controls that may help deter voters from submitting false information on citizenship status. First, Texas requires an applicant to sign an acknowledgement of eligibility on a voter registration card to confirm U.S. citizenship. Perjury is punishable by imprisonment up to 180 days and a fine up to $2,000.

Second, individuals are removed from the voter rolls when they refuse jury duty by admitting they are noncitizens. In Bexar County last summer where an elections official had to remove from the voter registration list the names of 330 people who secured dismissal from jury duty upon telling the court they were not U.S. citizens.

Yet the audit report stated that "neither of these controls is adequate to ensure citizenship status is accurately reported by voter applicants." The Secretary of State's Office generally agreed with the auditor's assessment.

"Initially they thought we should be checking for citizenship in a different manner than what we have available, and I think the audit showed that we can't do that with the tools we currently have," Haywood said.

One tool that may make a difference, although not yet available, is the REAL ID. The REAL ID Act, which Congress passed in 2005, is scheduled to be implemented in 2009. It would require states to adopt federally approved identification standards to stem illegal immigrants from obtaining driver's licenses and hinder terrorists from traveling within the United States.

Dissatisfaction using database early on, performance problems fixed

According to a survey before the May election, TEAM users were not satisfied with the performance of the statewide voter registration system. Of the 254 county voter registration offices, 224 use TEAM as their primary voter registration system.

A majority of counties responding to the survey said TEAM did not allow them to do their jobs effectively. Some local counties were experiencing slow response times with the TEAM system because they had inadequate equipment, such as slow, outdated modems, the report said.

"The system didn't work well during the May election," Haywood said. "We've identified those problems. The performance of the system wasn't allowing the counties to do their jobs effectively.

" Some of the applications may have been working, but they were working so slowly that counties were having a hard time either logging in and updating voter registration information, creating the reports or the voter lists that they needed, so they were having a hard time doing all those things."

Luckily, the May special election was a low turnout election. Since that time, the Secretary of State's Office took swift action in alleviating the problems experienced by many county voter registration offices.

"We were able to run a statewide stress test in August that helped identify where some of the problems were in the system and then worked on fixing some of those leading up to the November election," Haywood said.

"Things ran much smoother in November. I think the system worked more how it was supposed to in the November election and we will continue to improve it moving forward through the presidential election cycle."

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written by Libby Shaw , November 30, 2007

I read this yesterday on the Houston Chronicle blog. Frankly, I don't believe the story; no offense to the Chronicle or DB for reporting what both publications are being told by officials.

It's just that when the Republicans are crying "voter fraud" many of us know the GOP is looking for ways to do exactly that. It is an excuse to do a repeat of what happened in Florida in 2000. Cage voters from certain selected areas and then purge their names from the voter rolls. Such is illegal by the way.

The idea is to make sure as many folks as possible are denied their Constitutional right to vote. These "dead" people and "felons" are likely college students who move a lot and do not leave forwarding addresses or those serving in the military who have been shipped overseas. These were the groups targeted and purged from the Fla. rolls. Rove's protege, Tim Griffin, was the hatchet man in charge of the job at the time. He later became an Attorney General in Arkansas. Felons, by the way, are allowed to vote after they serve their terms. I wonder if the Secretary of State's office will even bother to check if this is so when a "felon's" name appears.

There is hard evidence of voter caging in 2000. It was covered by the BBC but the American press failed to pick up the story. I wonder why? At any rate, we'll be hearing more about this after the elections in 2008 when there is more oversight in our federal government.

When Americans lose their right to vote, we no longer have a democracy, folks.

written by Mary Ann , November 30, 2007

Let's see. 0.4% of the 12,000 registered voters in Texas are "possibly" ineligible and the Texas Secretary of State's office wants to be "sure" they are purged from the registration lists.

I wonder if they will be "purged" without any confirmation of their voting eligibility? For the record, felons "can vote" after serving their sentences (as Libby pointed out).

The Secretary of State's Office had recently implemented a statewide voter registration database as part of the federally mandated Help America Vote Act.

The state chose IBM/Hart to develop a program that validates and verifies voter information, tracks redundancies in the system, and allows local election officials to update voter registration information electronically to the state's database.

Let's see, again. The Help America Vote Act is why we are now dealing with electronic voting equipment that is faulty and is very easily tampered with. And yet, our Secretary of State wants to be sure and "follow" its supposed mandates.

Sorry. Anything that George W. Bush signed into law is suspicious. This smacks of a purge of a different color.

Libby Shaw stated very important ideas that bear repeating:

There is hard evidence of voter caging in 2000. It was covered by the BBC but the American press failed to pick up the story. I wonder why? At any rate, we'll be hearing more about this after the elections in 2008 when there is more oversight in our federal government.

When Americans lose their right to vote, we no longer have a democracy, folks.

written by Byron George , November 30, 2007

Interesting concept you have spoken of. Simple solution. Picture ID before you can vote. Why are the democrats against this idea.

written by domingo , November 30, 2007

Another Republican voter suppression campaign with bogus allegations,and no proof.Texans need to remove the republicans from every statewide office like we did in dallas county,they been taken over by the hate mongering wing.

written by lol , December 01, 2007

If a college student moves, then he is not eligible to vote where he/she moved from. As to military that has been shipped overseas, that is pure speculation on your part, unless the military person goes four years without voting, then it's their fault if they get stricken. When a felon recovers his/her right to vote, it is up to them to re-register to vote. It doesn't automatically happen without some action on their part.

Libby, your prejudices are speaking for you. Democrats have specialized in vote fraud for years, especially in the Valley. The pathetic attempts by democrats to blame Republicans for it is only a diversion.

And, since you brought up Florida, how come every single news organization, including the New York Times, that finished the count on their own found that Bush would have won anyway?

Hard to believe the New York Times, Washington Post, and L.A. Times wouldn't have picked up on the "caging" story (whatever that is) if it were true.
There is no hope for you, Libby, you are captured by your own pre-conceptions, but I did want a neutral observer to understand how wrong you are.

Finally, federal oversight (as long as it's by democrats) is your answer to everything.

Okay, lay in.

written by Libby Shaw , December 01, 2007

Poor LOL. Another product of our dumbed down schools, no doubt. I hope that you have not allowed yourself to become yet another pathetic pawn that has sadly been used by the GOP myth making machine and our corporate owned media. If you are such a poor misinformed soul I suppose you believe Rove when he blamed the Congress for getting us into the unmitigated human catastrophe called Iraq in which rivers upon rivers of blood has been tragically and unnecessarily spilled while billions of dollars have been squandered from our treasury. And tragically, thanks to the GOP’s lack of courage, all of the above will continue as long as the fake hero (W., or is it Cheney?) for the GOP resides in the WH.

Quite frankly, I don't give a rat's derriere what the New York Times or Washington Post have to say about the "election" of 2000. I have read the evidence, saw the BBC expose and I know for a fact that John Conyers has been given the hard proof about 2000. Have you? Apparently not. That could be b/c you do not view CSPAN, read or watch news sources outside the U.S. Many of us who wish to stay properly informed frequently view these venues.

Why are you defending a corrupted administration that obviously prefers a dictatorship or monarchy to democracy? Maybe, unlike most Americans, you are getting huge tax cuts – like do you reside in the upper 1% of income earners here who get the breaks while the middle class has its financial back broken? Do you envision a grand life in a little Mexico or banana republic type environment where the wealth is concentrated among very few and the rest of us have to migrate to Canada or back to where our ancestors came from? Are middle class Americans to become the next generation of despised “illegal aliens” somewhere on the planet b/c our jobs have been outsourced, wages are impossibly low, and we can’t afford to see a doctor when we are ill? Can American businesses compete, by the way, with nations that provide so-called evil socialized healthcare packages to their people? I don’t think so.

Most Americans, thank you, are more intelligent than GOP hacks would like to believe. OK so I know we live in Texas where our schools are ranked 2nd to last nationwide, but despite the fact that our education here sucks royally, we get it and we know when we have been used, abused and screwed by a bunch of crooks and liars who are driven merely by greed and self interest. These greed mongers not have a clue as to what “altruism” means. And yet they profess to be “Christians,” especially here in Texas and in the South. These poor excuses for human beings have forgotten the principles and beliefs that have founded this nation and have made us a strong and moral people for over 200 years. In 2000 moneyed interests trumped our democratic ethos.

Or maybe this is all just too complicated and you’ve already purged 49,000 legitimate voters from the rolls and hope you don’t get busted in 2008?

When Americans lose the right to vote we lose our democracy.

written by Mary Ann , December 01, 2007

Voter Caging 101.

Here ya go, Mr. lol.

Massacre of the Buffalo Soldiers
by Greg Palast

The Republican National Committee has a special offer for African-American soldiers: Go to Baghdad, lose your vote.

A confidential campaign directed by GOP party chiefs in October 2004 sought to challenge the ballots of tens of thousands of voters in the last presidential election, virtually all of them cast by residents of Black-majority precincts.

Files from the secret vote-blocking campaign were obtained by BBC Television Newsnight, London. They were attached to emails accidentally sent by Republican operatives to a non-party website.

One group of voters wrongly identified by the Republicans as registering to vote from false addresses: servicemen and women sent overseas.

Here’s how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, “Do not forward”, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses.

The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as “undeliverable.”

Read the rest of the story:

written by Mary Ann , December 01, 2007

Correction to my comment: 12 "Million" registered voters.

written by Libby Shaw , December 01, 2007

Byron, between you and me...I hope that you had a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday with your family, as I did.

In theory I agree with you. I vote during every election and most of the time I can't find my voter card. But I always have my TDL and so when I show up at the poll I automatically produce it. It's no problem for me and most folks like you and me.

But what about our homeless citizens and seniors who are living in nursing homes? Sometimes they don’t have current TDL’s b/c they no longer drive. Should they be turned away at the poll? Absolutely not. Their names should appear on the rolls and they should exercise their Constitutional right to vote as American citizens.

Tragically, many of our wartime veterans, including those from Iraq and Afghanistan are homeless now. This is yet another unforgivable and unconscionable state of affairs under a government that could care LESS about its people. And, to make things even more horrible and unimaginable, W. is threatening to cut benefits from the spouses and families of our military b/c he is hacked off at the Congress for not caving into him on squandering more of our treasury on Iraq. W. wants a blank check. If he does not get his way he will punish those whose spouses are already placed in harms way, all for partisan and gottcha politics.

When are we going to put an end to this abuse and say enough is enough? This latest W. stunt has gone beyond the pale of all decency.

written by Byron George , December 01, 2007

I hope you and yours had a happy Thanksgiving and I wish ya'll a Merry Christmas.

Oh, I agree with the nursing home patients (my mom is one) and the homeless. In fact, I don't want anyone denied the right to vote. Once a person is beyond driving age or ability they could be issued an id card. Voting is a sacred right and all should participate. They just need id of some form to do it.

I'll just let the Bush/Iraq issue go. You and I always disagree in this area.

As usual thanks for the civil debate. Now if I could only convert you to the GOP. lol

written by Ray , December 01, 2007

If we were to require an ID to vote, that ID needs to be available for free. As you say, voting is a sacred right - we shouldn't have to pay money to be able to do it.

Yes, we pay for drivers' licenses; no, driving isn't a sacred right as many believe :)

written by Dallasite , December 01, 2007

Dallas Blogs resident communist faction is certainly alive and well in this thread. Keep up Libby and gang, you make for hilarious reading. Stupid, but nonetheless very funny.

written by Gehrig Saldaña , December 01, 2007

The state auditor's findings are no surprise to me. I served as a poll watcher for a state representative election approximately 10 years ago in West Dallas. On that day, I challenged over 80 voters who were attempting to vote without their voter registration cards, driver license cards or state issued identification. These individuals were bused to our polling site by some well known local political operatives and hustled in to cast their vote. Their only problem was I challenged the intended vote of these individuals because of their lack of proper identification. As soon as I filled out the paperwork to challenge these votes which also requires the signature of the election judge all of those challenged prospective voters were encouraged by the election judge to not vote and they did not vote. On that day, the average votes cast in that type of election was very low compared to previous state representative elections held at that polling site. On that day I was a poll watcher for a very well know former state representative. And guess what, someone called the Dallas County Sheriff that day charging me with voter suppression attempting to oust me from from that polling site. It did not work and by the end of the day, I successfully challenged approximately 87 voters who were attempting to vote under similar circumstances. And that was over 10 years ago. So, would this be voter suppression? I think not.

written by Chris , December 01, 2007

I think everyone should be able to vote, even felons. They committed a crime and are paying for it. Why should they have their rights further eroded just so one party can maintain power in Texas? This state is messed up in many ways, and new leadership (from either party) would help put us back on a path to doing the right thing, improving schools, stop double taxing us for roads (tollroads) and allow all citizens to exercise their right to vote and be active in deomocracy.

written by randye , December 01, 2007

"Why should they have their rights further eroded just so one party can maintain power in Texas?"

I know the dead usually vote Dem, but felons are all Dem too?

written by Mary Ann , December 01, 2007

Ray ~ we are all sent a "free" voter registration card in the mail that we are asked to "sign." If we don't happen to have it, the precinct worker will just ask us to "sign" the roll. I can see us requiring the card to vote, but if the precinct workers know us, they usually don't require it. But they always "stamp" the card when we vote (at least they are supposed to). So basically it's a record that we voted in a particular election. As far as I can tell, a voter id would be this exact same document that we already have if we are registered a picture. But it can get costly if a picture is required.

In the old days, the precinct workers were the same people every election and "knew" everybody in the community. It's more of an issue these days, since so many of the poll workers are paid and not familiar with the voters. That's why we should all participate in our communities as poll workers if we can afford the time.

written by Mary Ann , December 02, 2007

Dallasite, have another beer.

written by Mary Ann , December 02, 2007

Gehrig Saldaña ~ I think you misunderstand voter suppression. Please read the "voter caging" post above in this thread.

What you were doing as a poll watcher is so important to our political process. You were correct to call in the authorities since this was obvious fraud. I believe that a "provisional ballot" should be offered to those who show up without proper id and who do not appear on the voting rolls. This is a way for everyone to vote without question and then later the ballot is checked for accuracy. (Often voters show up at the wrong precinct and will insist on voting.) This is a way for them to vote without getting discouraged from doing so.

It is my understanding that many "provisional ballots" were never counted in Ohio in the '04 race. So, there are pitfalls to this procedure as well.

written by Nancy , December 02, 2007

randye ~ Unlike Democrats, Republican felons don't go to jail. Surely you know that. They are usually very active in politics and can often be found running political campaigns for very unremarkable Republican candidates. Oh, and they often register to vote in places where they don't really live ~ but that's OK with everybody.

written by Byron George , December 02, 2007

Where is Sandy Berger?

written by Gehrig Saldaña , December 02, 2007

I appreciate your comments Mary Ann. I understand your point on the definition of voter suppression. Voter suppression is what I was accused of committing when someone called the Dallas County Sheriff to complain about my vote challenges I initiated that day while I served as a poll watcher many years ago in West Dallas. I have no doubt whoever reported me to the Dallas County Sheriff was hell bent on removing me from my post as poll watcher that day so voters with credentials like those I had challenged would be able to cast their vote that day. If anything, the voter suppression that occurred that day day came from the election judge when he advised those questionable voters to not cast their vote because of my decision to challenge their intended votes. This election judge decided to encourage these questionable voters to not vote after he had private discussions with the local political operatives who had bused those questionable prospective voters to the polls that day. Judging by the go to hell looks I received from both the election judge and those local political operatives who had bused in those questionable prospective voters I had no doubt the election judge and those political operatives were joined at the hip on their desired hoodwink tactics. To top that, the election judge that day had a hissy when he attempted to remove the ballot box away from my view to a private room when there was still almost an hour left until the polls closed that evening. I simply told the election judge I had a right to go anywhere that ballot box went that day. On that day, I stayed in vision of that ballot box not only until the seal was placed on the ballot box after the polls closed that day but I followed the ballot box all the way to the Dallas County Election Department that evening. That election judge really gave me a hard time that day. Even to the point of trying to question my loyalty to my ethnicity and bringing back childhood memories when this election judge and my dad grew up together in West Dallas. My father, Sal Saldaña, was a well known local used car dealer, athlete and musician who grew up in West Dallas. He served his country well in the armed services many years ago. I know my dad would have been proud of me that day and that is all that matters when you do the right thing.

written by Nancy , December 02, 2007

You don't lose your right to vote while on probation for a misdemeanor. He voluntarily gave up his license to practice law this past year.

Of course, the high court of Rush Limbaugh found Berger guilty of everything from high treason to child abuse. All of this surfaced in July 2004 when Berger was working with the Kerry campaign. Great timing, don't you think?

And yes, I know that he's (according to news reports) currently working with Hillary Clinton. Sandy Berger has known the Clintons since 1972.

He has never lost his right to vote or been accused of a felony. So, do you know more than I do about Sandy Berger's whereabouts?

written by Nancy , December 02, 2007

Gehrig Saldaña

No doubt you were witnessing voter fraud. Actions such as the ones you describe greatly harm our political process. Sadly, it appears that we need more poll watchers since we can't trust each other to do the right thing.

Even if we're not designated poll watchers, we should observe our polling places when we vote. I know last fall I went to my polling place and people were sent into a room to vote with very little direction. I asked the precinct captain to please give better directions to people since some seemed lost. She knew that what I was saying was correct and immediately started giving directions as people arrived.

Silence is a form of voter suppression, too.

We can all do more to make sure that everything is on the up and up. :-)

written by lol , December 03, 2007

Couple of points, and I'll let it go.

Libby is so smart and fortunate to be so much more intelligent and well-informed than the rest of us.

Libby thinks anyone who sees things differently from her is dumb or uneducated, but she doesn't say what her education is. I have a doctorate in a hard social science. Libby?

I am not in the top 1% of tax payers. I am not rich; I keep up with current affairs from a wide range of sources, left and right. I just don't see the world the same way as Libby does. I try not to hate as she does.

You don't have to convert me to the GOP; I'm already there.

Libby and others have to go overseas to find news that pleases them. The BBC has been reined in more than once for false reporting.

On the Milwaukee story, it's kind of interesting the dateline is the same place where there was documented voter fraud in 2004 on the part of the demos.
Remember, where they slashed the tires of GOP get-out-the-voters and paid winos cigarettes to vote dem? The story is full of conclusions--such as where it states that the Republicans "wrongly identified" people with bad addresses.

Check the news sometime. The GOP would be the last to want to suppress the soldiers' vote. Back up what you say, Libby. Your conclusions are getting tiresome, and they are made before you see the "evidence."

written by lol , December 03, 2007

Provisional ballots are not counted if the voters turn out to be unregistered. Could that be why they weren't counted in Ohio?

Republican felons don't go to jail? What about Clinton's aggravated perjury? Sandy Berger? He was fined $50,000; sounds like a felony to me. Didn't Scooter Libby go to jail?

written by Libby Shaw , December 03, 2007

Interesting and predictable personal attacks, I see. Bryon, thanks for your polite comment and I wish I could switch you into a dem.  But we both know better. Except for people like Byron and some others, personal attacks are what the GOP, aka the Texas Taliban Party in this state do. Rove wrote the playbook on it. Attack the messenger when a GOP doesn’t like the message, or worse, if the message is true. The Texas Taliban fire school teachers for mentioning evolution, too, by the way, as reported in the news today.

Strangely to me, LOL’s comments sound similar in tone to Savrola’s comments, a Hutchison supporter who hacked into Barbara Radnofsky’s email and later boasted about it during the 2006 campaign for Texas U.S. Senate candidate. He/she/it also posted a vicious comment under “BAR’s” name on the DB, the day following the 2006 election, as only a spineless coward would. And yet, LOL’s condescending tone reminds me more of Redneck Intellectual….hmmmm…At that time I seem to recall being called a yankee and a carpetbagger b/c my ancestors didn’t fight in the battle of the Alamo. But when I revealed that one of my late grandmothers was a member of DAR and I inquired how many attackers had ancestors who fought in the American Revolution, the personal attacks subsided for awhile. Such attacks were routinely visited upon all of Radnofsky’s supporters as if we ourselves were actually running for office. Indeed, one supporter who did not use a blogger name had to have his phone number changed and unlisted b/c the attacks became so brutal.

No matter, it is all very petty indeed and reveals the Texas Taliban party is alive, thriving and as small minded and as vicious as ever. It cannot seem to wrap its heads around the notion that this is not about them and theirs. It would never occur to a member of the Texas Taliban party that this could be about our collective personal freedoms, choices, our rights and standing by tenets of the U.S. Constitution. And never should one hold one’s authoritarian liar who happens to be in office, accountable for lying and misleading the public.

Finally to all, concerning voter fraud in Texas, check out The Lone Star Project at
Entitled: “Texas Republicans Launch New Vote Suppression Scheme
Craddick committee directive and GOP vote suppression think tank will attempt to justify denying Texans access to the ballot”

Stand up dude Tom Delay is one of the think tank supporters, by the way. A Propaganda/Disinformation and Lying tank would be more appropriate. More lies from the “Lying Liars Who Tell Them.” (Al Franken).

written by Randy Erb , December 03, 2007

Having lived in the Valley for a number of years, I had to laugh at the statement that the Dems engaged in voter fraud there for years. That was true, but it was the people who are NOW in the GOP who did that. That was back when Mexican Americans and blacks were not even allowed to vote. I recall when only white Anglos were elected from a population of mainly Hispanic districts. LBJ did his suspect voting fraud voter box in south Texas, but it was the Anglos who did that and when Texas was a one party state and the conservatives made DAMN sure the unworthy were NOT allowed to even vote! The party names are the same, but the crooks are now all in the GOP so they sure KNOW how to do voter fraud.
The real voter fraud is shown by the election of the Del Rio Sheriff who was a KLAN member in a mostly Hispanic county. THAT is true voting fraud and was brought about by the military personnel from Laughlin AFB claiming Texas and Del Rio as their home town to avoid state income taxes. They then got absentee ballots and simply voted Republican down the line. So they are listed as Texans after having lived there for less than a year, and in some case less than that.
The real problem is that such people can have MANY places listed as their home towns and voting in ALL of them since there is NO system to check on them. The same is true of those who are wealthy and have many homes or those who are very mobile.
I was thinking of doing the Republican thing and voting in two states like the snowbirds do in the Valley. I had an address and could have gotten a drivers license in Ohio and registered to vote there. I could have retained my Texas voter card, and gotten an absentee ballot from Ohio. I decided that I would NOT do so since I will NOT lower myself to Republican standards. Hell I could have voted in person in both places too since I was employed by an airline and got free travel.

written by George Chamberlain , December 04, 2007

I have news for Dallas County Republicans.

Responses above are a good indication that many did not vote in the most recent election. Your responses also seem to show that you do not understand the voting process and various safeguards built in.

I am a Democrat and I was the Election Judge for my precinct in the last election. I also hired other Democrats as Elections Clerks and plan to do the same in the 08 general election.

I must say that several voters were surprised to see the former Republican Election Judge had been replaced.

I felt the training was good for new poll workers and the technical support during the day was also fine.

A picture ID isn't the answer. As with all states, Texas does not check driver’s licenses against social security numbers. However, Texas seems eager to provide a driver's licenses to anyone who shows up for the test. Keep in mind that a driver's license is often used to register to vote. Aren’t you all a little confused about how to fix voter fraud (if it really needs fixing)?

I happen to believe that a non-citizen driver’s licenses should be made available that could not be used for voter registration, airport and other government security purposes and operating a motor vehicle outside of Texas. The lack of liability auto insurance is a real problem in Texas that is getting very little attention. As you might expect, Texas Republicans are more concerned about the availability of cheap labor than public safety.

written by RandyT , December 04, 2007

Wow, this started out as a discussion of voter fraud etc and slid into calling Dems fellons. Hate to break my Republican friend's bubbles - But -

Republican felons so far from the Abramoff crook-squad alone:

-Former Deputy Interior Secretary Steven Griles

-Former Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio

-Abramoff him self is serving six years in prison on a criminal case out of Florida, where he pleaded guilty in January 2006 to charges of conspiracy, honest services fraud and tax evasion

-Italia Federici, co-founder of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, pleaded guilty to tax evasion and obstruction

-Tony Rudy, lobbyist and one-time aide to former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, pleaded guilty in March 2006 to conspiring with Abramoff

-Michael Scanlon, a former Abramoff business partner and DeLay aide, pleaded guilty in November 2005 to conspiring to bribe public officials

-William Heaton, former chief of staff for Ney, pleaded guilty to a federal conspiracy charge

-Neil Volz, a former chief of staff to Ney who left government to work for Abramoff, pleaded guilty in May 2006 to conspiring to corrupt Ney (Like Ney needed help!)

-Mark Zachares, former aide to Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska, pleaded guilty to conspiracy

-Roger Stillwell, a former Interior Department official, was sentenced to two years of probation in January

-Former Abramoff business partner Adam Kidan, sentenced in Florida in March 2006 to nearly six years in prison for conspiracy and fraud

Then if one moves into sex crimes where foot stomping Greg is the tip of the iceberg one can find a partial list here;

And then we have the Stevens Republican family bribes and other good-oil-company deals in Alaska, and of course there is Randy Duke and his friends out in California.

“Oh” you say “all parties have their few bad apples.” How true, and you tried to convict Clinton for getting a BJ from a woman! At lest Bill did not have to go into the men’s room to get his BJ!!

written by Libby Shaw , December 04, 2007

For the record, the information posted above by me about the Lone Star Project: “Texas Republicans Launch New Vote Suppression Scheme" has been faxed and emailed by yours truly, to the new U.S. Attorney General Mukasey, Senators Conyers and Leahy and Rep. Waxman. Like, why bother writing to our U.S. Senators on this issue? We’d just get letters of GOP talking points from KBH and self righteous, condescending letters of lecture from Cornyn.

Texans deserve to exercise our right to vote, as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, thank you. We will not be held hostage by a bunch of lying and corrupted greed mongers who are driven to keep their hold on power at any cost.

We want fair elections and we demand accountability and proper oversight. And, for the record again, voter caging is a felony , even if it is said not to be so in the GOP wannabe banana republic of Texas.

written by Nancy , December 04, 2007

I wish you guys would figure out
how to "fix" the hyperlinks
so that they wouldn't cause
the comments to disappear
off the page. I realize you
have a scroll bar, but
that's so cumbersome.

Surely, you could make this
part of a New Year's

written by George Chamberlain , December 04, 2007

Randy T,

Nice work on the list of Republican Felons! I plan to post it on my web site below for others to use.

written by Ray , December 04, 2007

Mary Ann - My comment was a response to Byron George, directly above mine. I guess I should have mentioned that.

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