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DMN Responds to Floodway vs. Floodplain Controversy PDF Print E-mail
by Sam Merten    Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 01:24 PM

Some people following the Trinity toll road debate were alarmed at last Sunday’s DMN editorial, which sent a mixed message when it came to the distinction between a floodway and a floodplain. I mentioned it briefly in my first NTTA story, Jim Schutze had a post on Unfair Park and Sharon Boyd also weighed in.

This is important is because a floodway is commonly defined as “a channel for an overflow of water caused by flooding.” A floodplain, which also can be spelled flood plain, is defined as “level land along the course of a river formed by the deposition of sediment during periodic floods.”

My main issue is the part of the editorial that referenced Angela Hunt’s claim that building a road within a floodway has never been done before, and then it was followed up with a statement from the Corps about floodplains. Here is the excerpt.

“Ms. Hunt's side has said that building a road within a floodway is unheard of. Apparently, sending a man to Mars via slingshot would be more feasible.

But Corps officials tell a much different story.

Building within a flood plain is not unusual, they told The Dallas Morning News.

I asked Colleen McCain Nelson, who wrote the piece, to help me understand her argument with such an obvious difference between a floodway and a floodplain. She said the editorial board recently had a long conversation with Corps officials about the Trinity Project. Nelson said the Corps told them that it didn't consider this project to be that unusual because so much building has occurred in floodplains.

“When we pressed them [Corps officials] on the question of whether roads have been built in floodways, they said they weren't sure, but added that they didn't consider that to be a key question,” Nelson said. “They said regardless of whether a similar project has been completed, this proposal just comes down to engineering and flood protection. They emphasized that regardless of whether there's a road or not, we will have the same level of flood protection.”

Nelson said the board wanted to make the point that the Corps was neither a political pawn nor the mayor's political ally, as has been suggested.

“The Corps didn't give us all the answers that we were looking for, but they made clear that their approach is all about engineering and not at all related to the politics of this project,” Nelson said. “They're simply trying to deliver the project that the city wants. Until now, that included a toll road. Come Nov. 6, it may not.”

Angela Hunt said the U.S. Corps of Engineers gets its funding from Washington, D.C., and there is evidence of a situation in New Orleans where the Corps perhaps made decisions based on political expediency rather than safety.

I certainly hope that’s not the case here. I think all of us do, but to pretend that any facet of our government is removed from political influence is naïve,” Hunt said. “I don’t think it can be overstated that it’s significant that no one has built a major road in a floodway.”

In response to Hunt’s comments, Nelson said she would not suggest that the Corps or any agency is infallible. She said Corps engineers have shown a willingness to reject plans that simply are unworkable or unsafe, such as vetoing the city’s proposals to build a road on top of or in the side of the levees.

“The Corps' goal is to find engineering solutions for the city's plans. And if the city suggests a design that compromises flood protection, the Corps has pledged to just say no,” Nelson said. “When it comes to questions of engineering, I'm not willing to substitute my judgment or a politician's for the Corps' expertise.”

While I appreciate Nelson’s responses, it doesn’t do much to explain why she chose to debunk Hunt’s argument with a statement that doesn’t relate to Hunt’s claim. If I said strawberries are red and someone attempted to disprove it by holding up an orange, it would be the same flawed argument. They aren’t the same fruit just as floodways and floodplains aren’t the same thing.

Nelson admitted that the Corps wasn’t sure about any other roads built in a floodway and the officials they spoke with didn’t give them all the answers they were looking for. However, this information didn’t make it into the story.

Hunt says no road like this has ever been built in a floodway. The editorial board met with officials from the Corps and they couldn’t dispute that claim, yet the editorial is written as though they have totally dismissed it, saying, “Corps officials tell a much different story.” No, they didn’t tell a much different story. They couldn’t name a road like this build in a floodway after being “pressed” by the board.

At the end of the editorial, Nelson wrote, “With so many moving parts in this $1 billion project, the Corps simply is focused on designing solutions. Ms. Hunt's camp is busy crafting conspiracy theories.”

Conspiracy theories? Perhaps the editorial board should take a trip to New Orleans and ask around to find out if Hunt’s thoughts about the Corps are a conspiracy. And the next time they want to make someone look crazy by making it sound like they want to send someone to Mars in a slingshot, they should find someone able to actually disprove their statement.

Most importantly, when the Corps can’t give answers to questions, that information should be included because keeping it out leaves people to craft conspiracy theories of their own about The DMN.

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written by Mike , October 22, 2007

Sam,

Thank you once again for exposing the truth that the DMN refuses to tell us.

Have you seen any poll results yet on how the vote might go? Given the DMN's behavior on this subject, my first thought is to assume they didn't like the results they saw and have simply not made them public.



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written by dave c. , October 22, 2007

Thank you, Sam.

It takes a lot of energy and time to go through and debunk the lies, spin and propaganda of the DMN. You are doing a great service to the people of Dallas.
BTW, I met Ms. Nelson before. She is an arrogant airhead.




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written by DB , October 22, 2007

So, a conscience decision to be deceptive - ala Dan Rather - if the information does not fit the premise proceed at full speed anyway. I wish I could say that it is a surprise but I think that we all know what we have in the DMN.


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written by Branden Helms , October 22, 2007

From Ms. Nelson
“The Corps didn't give us all the answers that we were looking for, but they made clear that their approach is all about engineering and not at all related to the politics of this project,” Nelson said. “They're simply trying to deliver the project that the city wants. Until now, that included a toll road. Come Nov. 6, it may not.”

So this isn't related to politics...but it is about giving what the city wants...a city controlled by politics. Hm.



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written by Nathan , October 23, 2007

A few months ago Schutze (Dallas' man of the hour) wrote an article titled 'Mirror Mirror.' He catches
DMN editorial board playing the role of gimp! Below is a link and an excerpt.

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2007-08-16/news/mirror-mirror/full

"What gets me so badly about the Morning News editorial page on this topic is that I happen to know that they happen to know better. Here's the proof: Last September 20 the News declared in an editorial headline: "Long road to recovery Katrina doesn't have to sink us in debt."

The way to fix up New Orleans and the rest of the country, the editorial page suggested, was by cutting back on earmarks. The page even went on to say: "Several that are dear to Dallas' heart, such as funds for signature bridges across the Trinity River, should be included. This would be one more way Dallas can extend the right hand of fellowship to its neighbors."

Wow. So they did know the Trinity bridges were being built with earmarks. They did know that's why there isn't enough money for legitimate projects. And they do think it's wrong.

The very next day, on September 21, 2006, the same page retracted the editorial and apologized for having made any suggestion that Congress or anyone should re-examine the Trinity bridges: "It is now apparent to us that this was a poor example to cite," the skin-back editorial said. "They and the Trinity project will be a huge economic engine for the revitalization of downtown, which supplies the oxygen for much of the rest of North Texas. They are critical to resolving this area's transportation challenges and to enhancing our most important waterway. There are other ways Congress can find the money to pay for the catastrophe wrought by Katrina without deepening the federal debt or raising taxes."

I called Keven Ann Willey, the Morning News editorial page editor, after the second editorial appeared, because I know her a little. She said, "The publisher was out of town, frankly, and had not been aware of our thinking or our intent on this. When the publisher saw the editorial, he wasn't particularly happy with it, shall we say." "



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written by Tim , October 24, 2007

Flashback to 1998: I had a friend in the Transportation Dept. of the City of Dallas who also happened to attend my church. I was so happy that the Park bond election had passed - after chruch I asked him what he thought of the bond election.

I'll never forget what he said - "It's not about a park - It's all about building a road!" - I could see that he was upset about it so I let it pass.

Almost 10 years later - No Park & I now understand what he said and why he was so upset!

I don't live in Dallas so I don't have a right to vote on this issue - but if I could I would be voting YES!

Build the tollway someplace else - or better yet get busy planning for the coming energy crisis. $1.3B could be much better spent on mass transit or other inter modal options.

(Didn't ya notice the $90 a barrel for Oil last week and the fall of the "weakling" dollar?)

Makes little sense to build another tollroad road when gas-o-line will be so hard to get or afford by the time it is finished! Even T Boone thinks we are past peak. - How long do you really think that this happy motoring dream can continue?



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written by Richie Sheridan , October 24, 2007

The Army Corp Has a History of Being Wrong

In my "Solomn Solution" speech tomorrow to the Dallas City council, I will be referencing Mr. James B. Eads. Mr. Eads is considered to be one of the greatest engineers in history, and a master of the mississippi River. In Mr. Eads significant work on the Mississippi, he had tow run-ins with the head of the Army Corp.

The first had to do with Mr. Eads constructyion of the first major bridge across the Mississippi River in the 1870s. The head of the corps said that a canal had to be built around the bridge to allow the ships to pass, because the bridge would stop them. The Corps lost.

Second, the mouth of the Mississippi River would be periodically blocked by sand bars, significantly hurting the shipping business. The Corp proposed a canal about 20 miles upstream of the mouth of the Mississippi. Eads called this foolishness, and solved the problem by financing the solution. He narrowed the river to use the river's own power to remove the sand bars. The head of the Army Corp soon resigned.

When we realize the part that the Army Corps played in New Orleans, we should not trust anything that our local corp does.



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written by Brian74 , October 25, 2007

I quit reading most of the editorials a long time ago. They come up with some dooseys. Like endorsing Rick Perry but hoping he'll govern differently in his next term.

I'm glad there are folks holding their feet to the fire. It doesn't seem to have altered their behavior any, though.



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written by Blane , October 26, 2007

Ms. Nelson is not even close to arrogant ... and she is far from being an airhead. These are healthy debates in our community, and we are not always going to agree. Voters will decide soon enough. Dave, C., no need for personal insults.


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written by Michael M. , October 28, 2007

To Mike: As far as polling, we know the Vote No side is polling, but, of course, keeping the results to themselves. There are indications they're worried.
The Vote No side, having been beaten up at the debates, is now holding one-sided "forums" or "in-depth briefings" with Dallas citizens, and not inviting the Yes people. In fact, councilman Neumann is hosting a "Trinity Forum" at the Park in the Woods Rec Center, Monday, Oct. 29th, with Mayor Leppert, and he DISINVITED Angela Hunt. She has his original email invitation, addressed to her and Leppert.
So, all you YES people should show up at the "Forum", and make sure Iron Curtain-era tactics don't go on unchecked.




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